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If not America, then what is the best country in the world to live in??? And Why??

Thu Jan 8, 2009 9:57 AM EST
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By replytoj001
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Thursday, January 8, 2009

I recently replied to a fellow Newsviners post about America being, or not being, the best country to be born/live in. The respondent felt the term "greatest country to live in" was something of a cliche

It got me thinking......

I think America is the greatest country to live in. Sure we have many faults, are not perfect in all we do, and sometimes do not get "it" right....but what country does?

I believe America's greatness is our tolerance of others and their beliefs. Yes, we do argue and call each other names....but we do allow dissenting opinions......no matter how crazy or loony we feel those opinions to be.

We have elections, and yes there have been some problems......but the military did not seize power, soldiers of the ruling party did not open fire on opposition members, nor did they round up and imprison the opposing party's leadership, while executing people in the streets and burning down the opposition's headquarters.

A citizen can bring a grievance against a corporation, a president, and/or the government.

We have a right to assemble, protest, and be heard.

A person, any person, can start with an idea and with drive, determination, belief in themselves, and with the passion to be successful; can make it into a business and be successful.

There are many flaws, but to me there are far more many advantages to living in America.

That's my opinion. What is yours?

What is the greatest country to live in, and why?

As always; subject to your review and comments

replytoj001

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Samoore4

I also think this country is the greatest country to live in, for all of your reasons and it is a stunningly beautiful country. Last February I finally had a chance to see the Pacific Ocean up close & personal, I was in awe.

  • 3 votes
Reply#1 - Thu Jan 8, 2009 10:56 AM EST
Spikegary

I also believe the U.S. is the greatest country to be born in/live in.  I've lived in and visited many other nations and none of them compare (though I do like real German food in Germany).  I've enjoyed every country I've visited for a variety of reasons, but nothing is like home.

We are generally safe, our electoral process works, as you've stated above, even with a bad economy, I am still optimistic as these are generally cyclical.  There is always the things we need available-when living in Turkey, the water was shut off in the City of Izmir most of the day and night to conserve-generally you only see that in periods of severe drought, if at all, here.  Over there it was an 'all the time' thing.

  • 3 votes
Reply#2 - Thu Jan 8, 2009 11:16 AM EST
Zom Zom

Denmark. That's where legos come from. Plus, taxes are super high (average 49%) and it results in a higher GDP, better healthcare, and one of the highest tertiary-degree-holding populations in the world.

And legos.

I mean, sure: Everyone in Scandanavia kills themself, but every country has its quirks.

  • 5 votes
Reply#3 - Thu Jan 8, 2009 11:46 AM EST
ajzzz

I mean, sure: Everyone in Scandanavia kills themself, but every country has its quirks.

 Source?

    #3.1 - Thu Jan 8, 2009 12:23 PM EST
    Zom Zom

    Well... It was a joke, but all of the Scandinavian countries do have pretty high rates. Here’s the wikipedia list.

    • 2 votes
    #3.2 - Thu Jan 8, 2009 12:29 PM EST
    ajzzz

    They're not so different to the US and other western democracies. Finland seems to be higher than the others in the top 20. Iceland very similar to the US. Sweden, Denmark, and Norway not much different from the rest of Europe.

      #3.3 - Thu Jan 8, 2009 12:56 PM EST
      Spikegary

      I believe Zom Zom is saying it was HUMOR.  Pretty obvious, actually.

      • 4 votes
      #3.4 - Thu Jan 8, 2009 1:43 PM EST
      Zom Zom

      Ajzzz... it was a joke. I apologize if, in what can only be some ultra-convoluted way, it offended you.

      However, I would point out that, in Denmark, per 100,000 people, almost twice as many women kill themselves per year as do women in the united states.

      • 2 votes
      #3.5 - Thu Jan 8, 2009 2:04 PM EST
      rls8r

      Zom Zom -

      Perhaps Ajzzz was asking for a source for your observation "every country has its quirks".

      Obviously you couldn't have been serious about "everyone in Scandinavia kills themselves" - there would be nobody there to answer the phone, and I'm fairly certain that I talked with someone in Sweden just the other day.

      • 3 votes
      #3.6 - Thu Jan 8, 2009 4:55 PM EST
      Zom Zom

      I'm fairly certain that I talked with someone in Sweden just the other day.

       Source?

      • 4 votes
      #3.7 - Thu Jan 8, 2009 5:22 PM EST
      replytoj001

      And legos.

      I can dig the Lego's part....but just to keep you in the Good Ole' USA

      http://www.legoland.com/california.htm

      http://www.legoland.com/park/parkoverview/miniland_usa.htm

      replytoj001

      just joking....Denmark is a cool country...

      • 2 votes
      #3.8 - Thu Jan 8, 2009 6:26 PM EST
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      firsty

      i'd rather be living in canada than the US. it's just like the US, but with better balance towards domestic policy rather than foreign policy, and a generally more flexible and tuned-in government.

      one of the biggest problems with canada is that the US is constantly bullying it in terms of commerce.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#4 - Thu Jan 8, 2009 11:57 AM EST
      replytoj001

      i'd rather be living in canada than the US. it's just like the US, but with better balance towards domestic policy rather than foreign policy, and a generally more flexible and tuned-in government.

      Canada is a great country and they do not need a foreign policy....they don't really need it, they have the US.

      But their tax rate scares me.....

      Good beer though.....

      replytoj001

      • 1 vote
      #4.1 - Thu Jan 8, 2009 6:35 PM EST
      Spikegary

      The beer is really good-I live 10 miles from the border with Ontario-I love it over there and have many friends on that side of the ditch.

      • 1 vote
      #4.2 - Thu Jan 8, 2009 9:48 PM EST
      firsty

      i'd have to agree about the beer. i stopped drinking for a goddam medical reason a few years ago but, aside from specialty beers or a sierra nevada, the canadian beers were usually my first choice.

      we cant forget canadian whiskey or canadian sharp cheddar, either. it's always easy to get good food up there.

      • 1 vote
      #4.3 - Thu Jan 8, 2009 10:54 PM EST
      Spikegary

      The Ketchup has a different taste, but besides that, food is good.  Beer of choice is Labatt's 50 Canadian Ale.  Hard to find, but worth the seach.

      • 1 vote
      #4.4 - Fri Jan 9, 2009 7:14 AM EST
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      JoulesBeef

      you talking about an american that existed before bush.

      We have a right to assemble, protest, and be heard.

      from a cage miles from where we can be seen and heard.

      A citizen can bring a grievance against a corporation, a president, and/or the government.

      well still true but not as true as it used to be with so called "tort reform" and they want to make it even harder to sue companies or the gov. ANd when you sue the gov, the tax payers pay for it and the guy that caused the problem gets nothing.

      A person, any person, can start with an idea and with drive, determination, belief in themselves, and with the passion to be successful; can make it into a business and be successful.

      this has been proven not as true as it used to be and many other nations these days this is truier than the US. With corporate protectionism and things like walmart getting a 5 year tax break to move into my town to put me out of business doesnt exactly give weight to your "american dream"
      in the past 20 years changing classes has been nearly non existant, when 40 years ago it was much more dynamic.

      I believe America's greatness is our tolerance of others and their beliefs

      not even close.. travel much?
      gas you havent seen those gays dragged behind trucks or the arabs attacked in this country for looking muslim or the indiains attacked in this country for looking arab. Nah we are pretty intolerant of others ideas, even politically. And while not hte worse country, simple travel will show you we are no where near as "tollerant" as we pretend to be.

      • 4 votes
      Reply#5 - Thu Jan 8, 2009 12:07 PM EST
      Jimster

      What he said. ^

      • 3 votes
      #5.1 - Thu Jan 8, 2009 12:15 PM EST
      JoulesBeef

      question have you tried to protest anything in the past 8 years?
      i just dont think you'd have such a dreamy look at america if you have.
      having your expensive camera smashed cause you took picts of cops(yeah they to prove it wasnt just bumped out of your hand when you have no picts)
      the frustration of being limited to a crowded cage where we seem to be protesting at each other.
      Cops infiltrating protests and then rioting to make the group look bad and when we present unimpeachable evidence to the press.. they yawn.
      being photographed yourself from very angle imaginible.
      being intimidated by cops..a rested for resistant arrest when all you are doing is sitting their exercising your so called rights.

      oh yeah lets not forget about the terrorist label in your records for beign a war protestor.. yeha many states just list war protestors as domestic terrorists.. when all we do is carry signs.
      Nice story of rights,,, let me know when we live in that country.

      it's all feel good to say you can protest you gov.. but try to do it on an issue that matters and you will see how much rights you really have. they will make you never want to protest again,.

      lets not forget many states are also labeling war protestors as terrorists. It is part of many of our records now and bush has made it dificult to even challenge havign your name listed as a terrorist for carign a sign that send "end the war now."

      cute story about freedoms and rights, wake me up when we live in that country again.
      You claim we have these rights? I suggest you try to exercise them.

      • 2 votes
      #5.2 - Thu Jan 8, 2009 12:16 PM EST
      Savoy35

      source?

      • 2 votes
      #5.3 - Thu Jan 8, 2009 1:02 PM EST
      Spikegary

      Joules-you're off topic.  Where would you rather be living and why?

      • 3 votes
      #5.4 - Thu Jan 8, 2009 1:46 PM EST
      WDH

      What's your response to this then?

      What is the greatest country to live in, and why?

      • 3 votes
      #5.5 - Thu Jan 8, 2009 1:52 PM EST
      replytoj001

      I feel sorry for you.

      You still can protest and be heard.....a cage or sectioned off area....what....you don't get the media coverage?  There is a difference between being covered by the media and being able to protest.

      travel much?

      I travel a lot.  I was in the military 20 years and traveled the world.  In my current employ, I travel 2-3 weeks per month and travel all over the United States and go to other countries.  So yes I do travel a lot.

      I apologize.....I did not see you response to the best country to live in.  Can you mention what country you believe is the best to live in?

      i know we have flaws, but I also know how great this country and its people are, and I know how many all over the world wish the were able to enjoy the rights and privileges we have.

      Many people have died trying to make it to America.

      Are we perfect?  No we are not, but what country is?

      replytoj001

      • 3 votes
      #5.6 - Thu Jan 8, 2009 6:42 PM EST
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      greenpagan

      America is the greatest country in the cosmos. But it could and should and will be a lot better. Once we marginalize the nasty stingy corrupt rotten-to-the-core rightwing reactionaries from the halls of political-economic power.

      Furthermore, I believe in Free Speech. But would like to see FCC regulations requiring Rush Limbaugh, Moron Glenn Beck Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly to wear clown suits. 24 hours a day...

      ====

      • 2 votes
      Reply#6 - Thu Jan 8, 2009 1:42 PM EST
      Spikegary

      GP-

      You should include Olberman in that crowd too.  Personally, I prefer to vote with the dial/remote.  I just turn them off and they don't affect my life.

      • 1 vote
      #6.1 - Thu Jan 8, 2009 1:49 PM EST
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      Xanthiana

      I think you can make home in most countries on this globe. Personally, I prefer Europe, which partly might be rooted in my nationality and partly in the fact that I de facto enjoy more freedoms here. I made a conscious choice to leave the US after 7 years and 3 states (military life does that to you) and have yet to regret it.

      What I prefer in Europe:

      • I feel safer due to less crime
      • less religious influence
      • less ignorance towards others
      • more social justice

      What I prefer in the US:

      • more opportunities, such as buying a house, starting over a career in later age, if you have sufficient funding, ...
      • less bureaucracy for some things

      Neither the US nor Europe is better or worse than the other, they are simply different. I believe that the choice of preferring one or the other is solely based on what your focus is on for better living.

      • 7 votes
      Reply#7 - Thu Jan 8, 2009 1:58 PM EST
      Handshake

      All good points. I've lived both in Europe and the US too, and I share many of those observations. Here are some additional things.

      Some other things I prefer in Europe:

      • No death penalty, less gun crime and more humanism
      • Less (religious) moralising and less consumerism
      • In media and politics: less talk about people, more talk about issues
      • More cosmopolitanism

      Some other things I prefer in America:

      • More possibilities
      • No hooliganism
      • No violent politics
      • More successful multiculturalism (especially more successful integration of Muslims)

      In the end I prefer Europe, mostly for its humanism and social systems. In terms of bureaucracy, my experience is very mixed. France is the worst I've seen, but the Netherlands is better than the US in my view.

      Where would I like to live? Sweden (during summertime only!). I would like to try: South Africa, Indonesia, Mozambique, Croatia, Mali, Tanzania, Ghana. To name a few.

      • 2 votes
      #7.1 - Thu Jan 8, 2009 4:35 PM EST
      replytoj001

      Good post and I must agree.  I lived in Europe for 9 years and accept your position(s).

      But I'll still take America.

      replytoj001

      • 2 votes
      #7.2 - Thu Jan 8, 2009 6:45 PM EST
      Ashley Dillan

      Ditto!

      "I believe America's greatness is our tolerance of others and their beliefs. Yes, we do argue and call each other names....but we do allow dissenting opinions......no matter how crazy or loony we feel those opinions to be."

      True. But US does not have the monopoly of tolerance or democracy or generosity. In fact, countries like France or Colombia have direct Democracy, their president is elected  by direct ballot, not by intermediaries. I love the Benjamin Franklin US. I find many places in the US absolutely gorgeous, but again, it does not have the monopoly of beauty; many other countries are also beautiful.

      I do not believe in death penalty. Thou shall not kill is for everyone, governments included, not just individuals. Violence brings only more violence. War itself is evil, there is no good war.

      There are no perfect countries, like there are no perfect persons, that is the human paradox. Beauty, tolerance and even generosity are in the eyes of the beholder. Be happy where you live but understand that others are as happy where they live. I live a bit there and a bit here, and it suits me swell and well.

      • 2 votes
      #7.3 - Thu Jan 8, 2009 11:32 PM EST
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      Zom Zom

      I would have said Japan, because they have hentai and probably teleporters, but I don't approve of eating octopus and whales (I don't like to eat anything that is better at math than I am).

      • 1 vote
      Reply#8 - Thu Jan 8, 2009 2:10 PM EST
      WDH

      If they have teleporters, couldn't you live there and here at the same time?

      • 4 votes
      #8.1 - Thu Jan 8, 2009 4:43 PM EST
      Reply
      thomrob

      America isn't a country, its a business.

      A financial corporation.

      • 4 votes
      Reply#9 - Thu Jan 8, 2009 2:24 PM EST
      rls8r

      I think if I had to move somewhere else - I'd pick Australia - Central to North Queensland.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#10 - Thu Jan 8, 2009 4:59 PM EST
      Dave Hunter

      No place else I'd rather be than here in the USA. It's not perfect but it's better than anywhere else.

             One of the benefits of travel is the perspective and appreciation you gain whether you're on vacation or serving your country you can't help notice how good we have it here.

      • 4 votes
      Reply#11 - Thu Jan 8, 2009 6:14 PM EST
      RDW-375737

      America is the best place in the world to be...That said, if I were to go somewhere else it would be Campbell River, British Columbia.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#12 - Thu Jan 8, 2009 10:02 PM EST
      Scootertuner1000

      I believe America's greatness is our tolerance of others and their beliefs. I can think of many many far more tolerant countries than the USA. Most of Northern Europe springs readily to mind, especially Holland and the U.K. Yes, we do argue and call each other names....but we do allow dissenting opinions. All other 1st world countries enjoy at least, at least as much freedom of speech as we do and with that of course also dissenting opinions.....no matter how crazy or loony we feel those opinions to be. Ever been to speakers corner in London or the house of commons in the British Parliament. far more freedom of speech.

      We have elections, and yes there have been some problems. So does the rest of the 1st world, and most are far more democratic because they have proportional representation which by it's very nature is more democratic......but the military did not seize power, soldiers of the ruling party did not open fire on opposition members, nor did they round up and imprison the opposing party's leadership, while executing people in the streets and burning down the opposition's headquarters. That happens in no other comparable (1st world country) either. Your comparisons so far have been with 2nd. and 3rd. world countries.

      A citizen can bring a grievance against a corporation, a president, and/or the government.

      Thay can in every 1st world country. Did you forget that you should be comparing the USA to other 1st world countries not 2nd. and 3rd. world. Compare apples to apples.

      We have a right to assemble, protest, and be heard. Same as the previous comment.

      A person, any person, can start with an idea and with drive, determination, belief in themselves, and with the passion to be successful; can make it into a business and be successful. It is easier in Europe to start your own business. The big reason being you do not have to worry about the cost of health care covereage for your employees or yourself. We are actually at a huge disadvantage to other 1st world contries on this one. Apples to apples.

      There are many flaws, but to me there are far more many advantages to living in America.

      What advantages would you have over someone from the EU? We have far less vacation time, we earn less per capita, we have far higher poverty rates, a far far higher murder rate, 47 million people or 17% of the population has no health care covereage and lacks proper access to health care, we have the highest teen pregnancy rate, we have the least educated populace, we have the highest obesity, diabetes, heart disease rates (All of these are when compared to other 1st world countries) We stack up very poorly in almost every areas of quality of life to other 1st world countries. We stack up very well against 3rd. world countries, which it seems is what you have used for your comparisons. Apples to apples.

      That's my opinion. What is yours? None of what I have said is opinion. Everything I have said is just fact. Opinion shouldn't come into it. Be objective and make apples to apples comparions.

      What is the greatest country to live in, and why?

      There are several countries that tie for best country in the world to live in. Norway, Australia, Canada come out tops. All other 1st world countries are better places to live than the USA, for the reasons given in the comparisons.

      But the three mentioned above get top marks for:

      Access to quality education, Access to quality Healthcare, Low property crime rates, low murder rates (about 30 times lowers than ours), Better infant mortality, much much lower prison populations, much higher pay, especially in Norway (most people from the EU earn more than the mean American income) At least 10 hours less in a work week, unlimited or plentiful paid sick days, an average of 6 weeks vacation time, more tolerant populace, real social net (you won't lose you home if you lose your job), more freedom of speech, more freedom of action, very high or no speed limits on freeways, motorways, Snellwegs, Autobahns, workers rights and protections, the list goes on and on and on. Like I said we compare very favorably with all our neighbors to the south of us, but we can not let us believe that it doesn't get any better than this, because it does, it most certainly does, much much better.

      As always; subject to your review and comments

        Reply#13 - Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:21 PM EDT
        Debi-940055

        I love my country, but there don't seem to be any opportunities left for a 55-year-old Ph.D. here. I have two choices in mind that I would find appealing: Woolongong, Australia, and/or Royan, France. Both smallish, seaside, with a mild climate and access to larger cities. Since I am not wealthy, however, neither is in my immediate plans.

        Sigh

          Reply#14 - Thu Sep 24, 2009 6:21 PM EDT
          River-239955

          I'm in favor of any country that doesn't spout the "f-bomb" with every other word and has more adequate gun control. I'd rather be surrounded by a language I cannot decipher than to continue to subject myself to "Ima shoot that *G-D* *F-ing* idiot!" even one more time. A country that has successfully instilled a respect for elders would be nice. Medical care is purely impossible in America, so a country that is more supportive of its' people would certainly draw my interest.

          I'm not wealthy, either, but being poor here seems to be just as damning as being poor elsewhere.

          • 1 vote
          Reply#15 - Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:58 AM EDT
          Ben-1268009

          Is America the best country in the world to live in? Now there's something only a person who hadn't done much travelling would ask. It's not even in my top 5 that I've visited, and I'm not what I would consider to be well travelled.

          It would be hard for me to rank them, but here are my top picks:

          Australia simply for the natural environment it offers.

          The Philippines, because the people there have such a beautiful spirit.

          Ireland, talk about beautiful, but only in the summer, I don't like that much cold in the winter, but it does make the summer that much sweeter.

          Canada, for their social programs and healthcare, but same goes for Canada as goes for Ireland about the winters.

          I guess the U.S. would actually come next in my list, if it's Hawaii we're talking about... nowhere else in the states though.

          PS - all the "advantages" of the U.S. listed in the author's article also go for all that I have listed.

          • 1 vote
          Reply#16 - Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:58 AM EST
          replytoj001

          Now there's something only a person who hadn't done much travelling would ask.

          Ben,

          Wow....I wrote this article long ago, thanks for re activating it....much abliged.

          For traveling, I have been in many countries over many years....and while the countries you mention, are indeed, wonderful and exciting, I still would take America.....our freedoms, the vslue of the individual over the group, and our abilities/opportunities ot succeed, make, to me, this great country.

          replytoj001

            Reply#17 - Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:49 PM EST
            Ben-1268009

            Yeah, it sure looks to be an old article... but for some reason it popped up on my main page. My only guess as to why is possibly that I'm ignoring so many articles from Dana-R and Corn-Husker4Palin that this was all that was left.

              #17.1 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 4:03 AM EST
              replytoj001

              Hahahahaha,

              Thanks Ben, I don't know if that is a complement or a smack-down....

              Either way, thanks for reading and commenting

              replytoj001

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